Former Phoenix Mayor, Paul Johnson, and ASU professor, Henry Thomson, join Chris and Sean for a spirited discussion of the foundational principles of our country – and how they are unique to the understandings of liberty in the rest of the world.

They also promote their new podcast on the Optimistic American website, “The New Frontier” (https://www.optamerican.com/) which seeks to “remind other of the urgency of optimism.” A #mustListen in these divided and uncertain times.

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