Former Phoenix Mayor, Paul Johnson, and ASU professor, Henry Thomson, join Chris and Sean for a spirited discussion of the foundational principles of our country – and how they are unique to the understandings of liberty in the rest of the world.

They also promote their new podcast on the Optimistic American website, “The New Frontier” ( which seeks to “remind other of the urgency of optimism.” A #mustListen in these divided and uncertain times.

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Episode 158 – Sean is now Catholic!

June 25th, 2024|

Sean talks about his conversion to Catholicism after being a life-long member of the LDS Church. From his mission to Indiana, to serving as a bishop of two wards in the LDS